Twilight?

Nestya a écrit:Pour utiliser une terminologie moderne, c'est de la Bit-Lit.

morgane9513 a écrit:Si on suit stricto sensu la définition de Todorov, ce n'est pas fantastique, mais comme il parait que cette définition est dépassée, je le classerai avec Dracula, Entretien avec un Vampire...Là tu me poses une colle d'ailleurs, ce sont des romans fantastiques alors ? pourtant ils ne collent pas à cette définition, mais si elle est dépassée....ouh, tu m'embrouilles là...

cath5660 a écrit:

Nestya a écrit:Pour utiliser une terminologie moderne, c'est de la Bit-Lit.

Oui, j'ai lu un article qui parlait de ça...et concluait que Twilight n'en était pas, ce qui a achevé de m'embrouiller...

Astartee a écrit:selon Françoise dupeyron lafay, il existe deux types de fantastiques:
Le fantastique psychologique (Dr Jekyll, Turn of the screw...)
et le fantastique merveilleux (avec des fantômes, des vampires etc.)

voilà voilà

tu peux aussi dire "dark fantasy" si tu veux

cath5660 a écrit:Merci Nestya...
Donc je peux me servir de Twilight comme exemple de fantasy, c'est bon.

The literature of imagination is divided into three sub-genres: the Gothic, the Fantastic and the Marvellous

Gothic fiction appeared in the late 18th century in England. The first Gothic novel is considered to be The Castle of Otranto, written by Horace Walpole in 1764. Gothic stories usually display young maidens, kidnapped and held captive by a villain in a foreign and medieval country. The term “Gothic” was used precisely because the genre was often set in the buildings of this style (castles, mansions, and monasteries, often isolated, crumbling, and ruined). Some most prominent features are horror, darkness, decay, hereditary curses, haunted houses. The main characters of Gothic literature can be bandits, tyrants, villains, persecuted young girls as well as supernatural creatures such as ghosts, demons, monsters and the Devil himself.

The Fantastic is an evolution from the Gothic genre which was due to scientific discoveries about the human mind and origins in the early 19th century (hypnosis, psychology and the theory of evolution.). The major change between the Fantastic and the Gothic is that instead of featuring an external danger (the young maiden persecuted by a gothic villain), it features an internal danger (madness, hysteria, schizophrenia). The reader does not know whether the narrator has hallucinations or if he is really threatened by supernatural creatures. This uncertainty is called “the Uncanny” and it explains why Fantastic stories often use the theme of the double, as in The Strange Case of Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde.
Another change is that instead of occurring in medieval foreign countries, the action takes place in european countries like England or France.

The Marvellous is also a literary genre which features supernatural creatures. Contrary to the Gothic and the Fantastic, the action takes place in a magical world, not in the real one. This world has its own rules which are accepted by the character as being normal: he is not surprised by the existence of dragons, witches, fairies, talking animals etc.
The most common characters are kings, queens, princes, princesses, poor children or poor maidens.
The marvellous sometimes features magical objects and the story is often about characters who have to overcome a difficulty in order to evolve. The story often ends with a “happy end.”

lulucastagnette a écrit:Moi, je le rangerais dans le genre "soupe infâme"... (comment ça, c'est pas une catégorie littéraire, ça ? :lol!:

Pourquoi vouloir classer ce bouquin, au fait ?

Astartee a écrit:je te met un document que j'avais fait dans une séance sur la litté gothique avec des élèves de 3ème...
par contre tu me dis si tu as besoin d'une traduction, là j'ai la flemme et un certain manque de courage

The literature of imagination is divided into three sub-genres: the Gothic, the Fantastic and the Marvellous

Gothic fiction appeared in the late 18th century in England. The first Gothic novel is considered to be The Castle of Otranto, written by Horace Walpole in 1764. Gothic stories usually display young maidens, kidnapped and held captive by a villain in a foreign and medieval country. The term “Gothic” was used precisely because the genre was often set in the buildings of this style (castles, mansions, and monasteries, often isolated, crumbling, and ruined). Some most prominent features are horror, darkness, decay, hereditary curses, haunted houses. The main characters of Gothic literature can be bandits, tyrants, villains, persecuted young girls as well as supernatural creatures such as ghosts, demons, monsters and the Devil himself.

The Fantastic is an evolution from the Gothic genre which was due to scientific discoveries about the human mind and origins in the early 19th century (hypnosis, psychology and the theory of evolution.). The major change between the Fantastic and the Gothic is that instead of featuring an external danger (the young maiden persecuted by a gothic villain), it features an internal danger (madness, hysteria, schizophrenia). The reader does not know whether the narrator has hallucinations or if he is really threatened by supernatural creatures. This uncertainty is called “the Uncanny” and it explains why Fantastic stories often use the theme of the double, as in The Strange Case of Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde.
Another change is that instead of occurring in medieval foreign countries, the action takes place in countries like England or France.

The Marvellous is also a literary genre which features supernatural creatures. Contrary to the Gothic and the Fantastic, the action takes place in a magical world, not in the real one. This world has its own rules which are accepted by the character as being normal: he is not surprised by the existence of dragons, witches, fairies, talking animals etc.
The most common characters are kings, queens, princes, princesses, poor children or poor maidens.
The marvellous sometimes features magical objects and the story is often about characters who have to overcome a difficulty in order to evolve. The story often ends with a “happy end.”

On bossait sur un classement de :Dr Jekyll / Alice / narnia / le chateau d'otrante / les mystères d'Udolphe / Dorian Gray

ysabel a écrit:

Astartee a écrit:je te met un document que j'avais fait dans une séance sur la litté gothique avec des élèves de 3ème...
par contre tu me dis si tu as besoin d'une traduction, là j'ai la flemme et un certain manque de courage

The literature of imagination is divided into three sub-genres: the Gothic, the Fantastic and the Marvellous

Gothic fiction appeared in the late 18th century in England. The first Gothic novel is considered to be The Castle of Otranto, written by Horace Walpole in 1764. Gothic stories usually display young maidens, kidnapped and held captive by a villain in a foreign and medieval country. The term “Gothic” was used precisely because the genre was often set in the buildings of this style (castles, mansions, and monasteries, often isolated, crumbling, and ruined). Some most prominent features are horror, darkness, decay, hereditary curses, haunted houses. The main characters of Gothic literature can be bandits, tyrants, villains, persecuted young girls as well as supernatural creatures such as ghosts, demons, monsters and the Devil himself.

The Fantastic is an evolution from the Gothic genre which was due to scientific discoveries about the human mind and origins in the early 19th century (hypnosis, psychology and the theory of evolution.). The major change between the Fantastic and the Gothic is that instead of featuring an external danger (the young maiden persecuted by a gothic villain), it features an internal danger (madness, hysteria, schizophrenia). The reader does not know whether the narrator has hallucinations or if he is really threatened by supernatural creatures. This uncertainty is called “the Uncanny” and it explains why Fantastic stories often use the theme of the double, as in The Strange Case of Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde.
Another change is that instead of occurring in medieval foreign countries, the action takes place in countries like England or France.

The Marvellous is also a literary genre which features supernatural creatures. Contrary to the Gothic and the Fantastic, the action takes place in a magical world, not in the real one. This world has its own rules which are accepted by the character as being normal: he is not surprised by the existence of dragons, witches, fairies, talking animals etc.
The most common characters are kings, queens, princes, princesses, poor children or poor maidens.
The marvellous sometimes features magical objects and the story is often about characters who have to overcome a difficulty in order to evolve. The story often ends with a “happy end.”

On bossait sur un classement de :Dr Jekyll / Alice / narnia / le chateau d'otrante / les mystères d'Udolphe / Dorian Gray

un jour je ferai une sq sur la littérature gothique... j'adore ça !!

J'aime bien ta définition mais ne pas oublier le merveilleux que l'on trouve souvent dans les récits épiques (Roland etc.)

cath5660 a écrit:Argh Nestya, ne me dis pas ça...
J'ai une chance que mes élèves aient vu (je n'ose pas dire lu) Twilight, aucune qu'ils aient lu Tolkien et j'ai peur que même le film soit trop vieux pour eux...